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Minutes for 2022-08-03

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Topic: Announcements and Introductions

Topic: TPAC Planning

Gregg Kellogg: Doodle poll for attendance https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/id/aMj3LPBb
Gregg Kellogg: Please indicate on the Doodle poll what hours you might attend, either in person or remote.
Gregg Kellogg: We'll focus on YAML-LD issues in the first couple of hours and move on to other JSON-LD issues and liaison later.

Topic: Approve Minutes

Gregg Kellogg: TPAC coming in september, four hour timeslot. Hopefully 2 hours for YAML-LD. Put up a Doodle poll. Organized as hybrid event. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Without objections, minutes approved.

Topic: YAML-LD

Gregg Kellogg: Yaml-ld#65
Gregg Kellogg: Without objection merge #56
Gregg Kellogg: Converting YAML to internal representation: We shouldn't have to work on, but have to. Comments? No objections. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Benjamin Young: +1 To holding off until further exploration of extended profile happens
RESOLUTION: hold off on merging #70 until more discussion of an extended profile.
Gregg Kellogg: Serializing JSON or YAML literal in YAML-LD
Gregg Kellogg: Any opinions on how to deal with JSON objects in YAML? [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
David I. Lehn: I am behind in following the issues to provide meaningful input to conversation. Looks good. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
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Gregg Kellogg: IMO, the main issue is simply turning YAML into the internal representation.
Gregg Kellogg: Best thing to do is to simplify as far as possible. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Point of JSON literals is to serialize in RDF and not so much on YAML etc. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: IMO any JSON-lD processor should be able to deal with alias nodes that are not ill formed.
Anatoly Scherbakov: Agree on the main idea of the issue: standard processor must be able to convert JSON-LD to YAML-LD. Also, convenience context is great idea. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Agree. also vice versa transformation should work as well. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Context can't be aliased on the first time it is being used, but could be aliased after that, but the group has agreed that it is not necessary [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Benjamin Young: `@Context` signals that you're looking at JSON-LD in the same way that `$schema` does for JSON Schema. I'd be opposed to allowing it to be aliased (as I'd also opposed that in the WG) as it's a clear signal and makes processing and finding JSON-LD (and eventually YAML-LD) much simpler (especially if the file extension is generic `.json` and if there is no media type provided)
Anatoly Scherbakov: Group might want to share information on YAML-LD. Should we publish a website to help developers? E.g. including a playground, translation libraries in different languages. Do you think this would be good idea? [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Benjamin Young: Promotion is good idea. However, the JSON-LD website is enough, as there is not so much people in the community. We could e.g. enable YAML-LD in the existing JSON-LD playground. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Benjamin Young: +1 For promoting YAML-LD on https://json-ld.org/ (and happy to help make that happen)
Gregg Kellogg: Json-ld.org needs a page for YAML-LD to promote it. Would like to see the playground support YAML-LD and it should be possible. However, yaml-ld.dev might be still useful. Its playground could be a version of the JSON-LD playground. Would anatoly be available to lead the new website? [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Anatoly Scherbakov: May not have time and language profiency to implement. Main concern was to ask if there is interest in this. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: The existing page is actually in PHP. Benjamin has experience in this [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: A quick search whois yamlld.org is available
Benjamin Young: GitHub Pages is probably not good as technology has evolved. yaml-ld.org was registered in 2018, maybe by someone we know. Also, the semantic web is already filled with dead links because of dead domain names. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Benjamin Young: Json-ld.org has good reputation. But still the community is limited, so concentrating efforts would be good idea. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Benjamin Young: Extending the playground would be most useful effort [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Jsonld.js is now official library for RDF. Would be useful for people to work on it. [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Generate issue on promotion? [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
ACTION: gkellogg to create issues for updating json-ld.org for yaml-ld
Created https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/issues/786 -> action 786 create issues for updating json-ld.org for yaml-ld (on ) due 10 Aug 2022
Benjamin Young: Issue to create a page for YAML-LD [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]

Topic: Next call

Gregg Kellogg: I will create some issues [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
Gregg Kellogg: Anyone not able to attend next time? => no mentions [scribe assist by Juuso Autiosalo]
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